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Age · Sep 29, 2006, 12:51 AM // 00:51

What is it with Barrage Rangers everytime I am in a mission outpost they always say Barrage?I would use s different elite such as Punishing or Cripshot I just don't understand what make Barrage a great elite as lots or Rangers use it.I know lots use it with a pet as well sometimes they don't.

Evilsod · Sep 29, 2006, 12:54 AM // 00:54

Why cripshot :S That skill absolutely sucks for PvE.

Barrage just has a high profile... even if idiots do use it on missions where it has absolutely no use at all (ie, no grouped up enemies).

Why use a pet if your not a in a B/P team... thats what gets me.

lennymon · Sep 29, 2006, 12:58 AM // 00:58

because its like multishot in diablo right?
heh
I used to use it all the time too, then I played other builds, and then more builds, and now there are exactly 2 places I play that use barrage (plus low level areas - lol). In general spike/interrupt/glass arrows, cripshot build, toucher build 1-14, I got a great spirit spammer build, pure beastmaster.

long story short, barrage is a great skill, and one that has a lot of similarities to the popularity of the fiery dragon sword.

andrewf · Sep 29, 2006, 01:31 AM // 01:31

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Why cripshot :S That skill absolutely sucks for PvE.

Barrage just has a high profile... even if idiots do use it on missions where it has absolutely no use at all (ie, no grouped up enemies).

Why use a pet if your not a in a B/P team... thats what gets me.

It is obvious that you have never ever use a full BM build before..

pet can do a hell lot of damage and tank pretty damn well in almost every mission

Maria The Princess · Sep 29, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Barrage is a pass everywhere build.

the thing about most ranger builds is that most of them require CHOOSING the enemy and THINKING.

a barrage ranger doesnt have much thinking and choosing to do, all he does is spam barrage and when things go bad self defence. and the rest of the party is happy because its a constand damage output (unline nukers that might ran out of enebrgy or get interrupted) that does not trigger AOE and is controlled by the player.

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It is obvious that you have never ever use a full BM build before..

Evilsod is right, if the party is not a full B/P party, pet does not compliment the ranger.

now for full BM builds, no place for barrage in there, you should know it if you are such an expert

Former Ruling · Sep 29, 2006, 02:15 AM // 02:15

Barrage is a nice elite anywhere, alot of ranger elites require alot of other factors...

Munanko Roha · Sep 29, 2006, 09:25 AM // 09:25

Nice elite but not that great.

A good Ranger would be far more useful using other elites except maybe in places like Vizuna's Square. I really think that complete disruption of the most dangerous enemy would be way more beneficial to a group than 6 arrows fired randomly in a bunch of mobs...

QoH · Sep 29, 2006, 09:42 AM // 09:42

barrage sucks, only dealing 250+ dmg with every spam is bs, take Marksman's Wager instead, much better

Cebe · Sep 29, 2006, 12:48 PM // 12:48

I like barrage...but I also like Enraged Lunge!

"Bite him, Colonel, Bit him!"

Evilsod · Sep 29, 2006, 12:54 PM // 12:54

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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

Evilsod is right, if the party is not a full B/P party, pet does not compliment the ranger.

now for full BM builds, no place for barrage in there, you should know it if you are such an expert

Yeah i phrased it badly... pets go with lone Barragers about as well as Primal Rage does with an Elementalist. And if your running BM then you should be running a BM elite, Enraged Lunge for example.

Vizunah is a bit of an odd place when it comes to Barrage. Ironically even with massive groups of enemies attacking its not the best elite there. Oath Shot is. Oath Shot trapping Vizunah makes for pure chaos, things always appear in the same place...

Frank Dudenstein · Sep 29, 2006, 01:44 PM // 13:44

Remember, this is PvE we're talking about. PvE boils down to outputting as much damage as possible as fast and as constant as possible. Barrage does this better than any other Ranger elite in most situations.

All of the things that make rangers unique ... interrupts, cripple, degen, etc etc are cute and fun, but pale to pure damage in PvE.

If you want to have fun with your ranger, get your butt over to PvP!

Sir Mad · Sep 29, 2006, 02:18 PM // 14:18

It has been said before but many rangers use barrage all the time for 2 reasons:

1/ most of the PUGs don't know about rangers. They only heard about 2 builds: barrage and trapper. So that's what they look for (even if it's completely useless in the specific mission).

2/ rangers are barragers as necros are MM or eles are echo nukers or warriors are tanks. The build name doesn't mean anything (except in the case of MM) as it only refers to 2 or 3 skills (and the 5 or 6 other skills are obviously what makes the difference), but PUGs want that "because it's good", and rangers use this build because they can call themselves barrager once they have capped one elite and keep pressing C and barrage. In many missions it will still do the job, but just look at the very few missions in GW requiering a very specific build to complete it. Unwaking Waters for example. How many times have I tried it with PUGs telling them we needed someone with that build, and not the cookie cutters builds? Usually they just don't care, die, go again with the same build that can't beat the mission, and call you a noob when you say you don't want to attempt the mission with this build. Unfortunately, that's how many players are.

Commander Ryker · Sep 29, 2006, 02:28 PM // 14:28

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Originally Posted by Munanko Roha

Nice elite but not that great.

A good Ranger would be far more useful using other elites except maybe in places like Vizuna's Square. I really think that complete disruption of the most dangerous enemy would be way more beneficial to a group than 6 arrows fired randomly in a bunch of mobs...

There are 2 interrupts that are not elites that you can equip with barrage, distracting shot being the best, imo. So there is no need to sacrifice one for the other.

Besides the fact that barrage hits multiple foes, it also hits for + (1-13) damage. So, if it's only one foe left, you're still hitting at + damage.

I almost always bring Orson (my Lynx) with me. The only time I don't is if it's a place he is getting killed constantly. As andrewf said, they are great tanks and can do a lot of damage and with the new skill Poisonous Bite, you no longer need to bring Apply Poison or the elite Poison Arrow.

I also love how he comes running back to me after we've killed everything, looking very pleased with himself.

Tiny Killer · Sep 29, 2006, 02:57 PM // 14:57

While Barrage is far form the "End-all, Be-all" skill of the ranger class, it most certainly has its place. Let me think, +17 damage at a cost of 0-2 energy. Yep, I can see using that from time to time.

Commander Ryker · Sep 29, 2006, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Tiny Killer

While Barrage is far form the "End-all, Be-all" skill of the ranger class, it most certainly has its place. Let me think, +17 damage at a cost of 0-2 energy. Yep, I can see using that from time to time.

Plus, it has a fast recharge.

Sir Mad · Sep 29, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Nobody said barrage is not a good skill. It is when the monsters are grouped. But I definitely say that going through the whole game with a barrage build (let alone B/P build) is stupid and only shows such a player doesn't have enough experience to adapt his build to the environement.

Honnestly, don't you laugh when you see a B/P ranger (with generally 1 BM so the pet is really usefull) in a competitive mission? Or in Imperial Sanctum?

Nivryx · Sep 29, 2006, 09:41 PM // 21:41

sometimes i just say im barrage just to get a group and then 'forget' to set my skills. =D

mathijn · Sep 29, 2006, 11:42 PM // 23:42

barrage and aflicted are fun^^
aflicted monk uses retribution, you barrage some targets, dang 80dmg each arrow
dang 162 dmg for you......
way 2 go barrage ranger=D

My Sweet Revenga · Sep 30, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

I attribute it mostly to laziness. You can spam the barrage key all day and keep outputting consistant damage. Add in power shot or hunter shot and 2 distract type shots, troll unguent, and throw dirt and you have a build that can handle the majority of situations. I imagine ranger builds will start to be more diverse when nightfall comes out and the quick change templates are enabled. Fiddling with skills all day is probably a chore for most who just wanna go in and do some damage. Personally, I think barrage could have easily been poison shot and then you'd have a bazillion rangers running P/P builds (hee hee, I said PP). But nope. Tomb of primeval kings turned B/P into the legendary build and newbie rangers never looked back.

Franco · Sep 30, 2006, 12:39 AM // 00:39

Tigers fury good with barrage too.